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Siringo

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Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« on: February 12, 2011, 12:05:04 PM »
Hello to all -- I have a Clifton Scout Stock that I purchased way back in '92 with the integral bipod.  The spring has broken that separates the legs and I am having trouble finding another replacement.  I contacted Brent Clifton after doing a people search and was supposed to get a drawing or directions to remake one, but that never happened.  He does not make these stocks anymore. Does anyone have any suggestions???

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 01:22:09 PM »
Maybe Brent's patent application drawings will give you some ideas...  http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4776124.pdf
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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 01:43:48 PM »
      I put in my last one several years ago and stopped using the bipod .
     Try brownells for spring stock material , you will have to get the proper size and shape and form the spring yourself . My guess is , you have to heat it red hot - 1700 degrees or more - you can do that with a torch . Then you will have to quench it to harden -oil of some kind . After that you have to temper back the hardness - probablly 450 deg. or so depending on the steel . Brownells will have the info on heat treating temps & such .
   Its not really difficult but it can be a pain to get the temper down to the proper level . I'll have to do it at some point , but have put it off . Hold on to the broken part to refer to for sizes . I've got a forging setup and have done some heat treating , but can't do it reliably yet . Sorry , I can't give you more help . Don't hold your breath waiting on Brent .
 My other thought was to remove the bipod assembly . Make a fore end tip and attach it using the screw that held on the bipod and be done with it . Good Luck
               

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 03:13:49 PM »
      I put in my last one several years ago and stopped using the bipod .
     Try brownells for spring stock material , you will have to get the proper size and shape and form the spring yourself . My guess is , you have to heat it red hot - 1700 degrees or more - you can do that with a torch . Then you will have to quench it to harden -oil of some kind . After that you have to temper back the hardness - probablly 450 deg. or so depending on the steel . Brownells will have the info on heat treating temps & such .
   Its not really difficult but it can be a pain to get the temper down to the proper level . I'll have to do it at some point , but have put it off . Hold on to the broken part to refer to for sizes . I've got a forging setup and have done some heat treating , but can't do it reliably yet . Sorry , I can't give you more help . Don't hold your breath waiting on Brent .
 My other thought was to remove the bipod assembly . Make a fore end tip and attach it using the screw that held on the bipod and be done with it . Good Luck
               
I've tried making them and not very good at it.  I did notice on the patent drawings that he covered various spring styles to cover the patent better. maybe a small coil type would work.  In the small quantity that were sold, you would think this would be an off the shelf spring.  Mine rusted away.  Didn't use the bi-pod really at all.

Thanks for the reply's.  I am going to sell this rifle -- just wanted the bi-pod to work.  I picked up the new Ruger Scout.

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 08:42:28 PM »
   Years ago , Brent told me that he made them himself one at a time . It didn't make sense to me either , but , what do I know . Like I said , its not really that difficult . I may just take the bipod off , make the fore end tip , and set the bipod aside until I figure out a good way to make it work .
    I had thought a coil spring would work also , but how do you fit it into that small space?
   Sorry to hear you are selling off the rifle - I love mine , even though the whole operation really pissed me off at the time . If he had been any closer he would have found me on his doorstep . Even considered flying to TX at one point , but that would not have ended well

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 11:07:31 PM »
   Years ago , Brent told me that he made them himself one at a time . It didn't make sense to me either , but , what do I know . Like I said , its not really that difficult . I may just take the bipod off , make the fore end tip , and set the bipod aside until I figure out a good way to make it work .
    I had thought a coil spring would work also , but how do you fit it into that small space?
   Sorry to hear you are selling off the rifle - I love mine , even though the whole operation really pissed me off at the time . If he had been any closer he would have found me on his doorstep . Even considered flying to TX at one point , but that would not have ended well
To make a long story short -- I started out on this venture in 1992.  Writing letters to Jeff Cooper, Warne Manufacturing, Burris, Clifton, ect.  Ended up with a Miodel 7 in a Clifton Stock.  Had Warne make mounts for the barrel and even had Magna-port install a muzzle break.  Several years ago, I removed the Model 7 barrel (still have it) and installed a standard Remington 700 308 barrel and mounted the scope traditionally.  My two boys used it each a couple of years for deer hunting here in MN. 

I happened to be traveling in Kansas a couple of weeks ago and stopped into a gun shop in Medicine Lodge.  Proprietor is Major Robert Statler, former Ruger Senior VP of Manufacturing.  There sitting in his shop was the new Ruger Scout.  I bought it ------ and the story continues.

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2011, 07:32:28 PM »
Can someone please post some pics of their Clifton stocks for reference. I've always had a fascination with them but have never come across any decent images.
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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 07:37:19 PM »
   I have tried several times and apparently am not smart enough to pull it off

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 08:53:25 AM »
Can someone please post some pics of their Clifton stocks for reference. I've always had a fascination with them but have never come across any decent images.

Google is Good.  From http://www.defensivehandguns.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1279681224





From http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/104318-does-anyone-else-here-have-scout-rifle-5.html Nice thread BTW







From http://www.wasabiloco.com/guns/MediumBore.html







I'll try to take some pix of mine this week and figure out how to post them.  Brent had his limitations as a gunmaker but he was one clever inventor.
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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 01:29:47 PM »
Please do, I was seriously hunting for the Clifton stocks from around 92-3 and some years forwards. But alas - Mr Clifton had then seized to make stocks or that's what I was told after some years from a scoutist in Sweden.

Even googling after it, has not struck such a gold mine of stockporn as your post.  ;D
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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2011, 10:23:12 PM »
Please do, I was seriously hunting for the Clifton stocks from around 92-3 and some years forwards. But alas - Mr Clifton had then seized to make stocks or that's what I was told after some years from a scoutist in Sweden.

Even googling after it, has not struck such a gold mine of stockporn as your post.  ;D

So are you still looking for one?

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2014, 10:05:40 AM »
if anyone has a Clifton stock for sale, please let me know.  I am looking for one for a project.

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2014, 10:13:11 AM »

if anyone has a Clifton stock for sale, please let me know.  I am looking for one for a project.


What sort of action are you trying to accommodate?
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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2014, 06:08:40 PM »
 Remington 700, both a short & a long action.  Also, may have a Sako project.

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Re: Clifton Scout Stock Spring
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2014, 06:04:26 PM »
I also have a Clifton Scout on a Remington 7 Action....but I'm missing the bipod legs etc.  if anyone who HAS one can get me measurements and some good photos of the leg tips with measurements I can probably make some.  Easiest would be to mold some tips from fiber reinforced epoxy...but that means using someone's workable ones to splash a mold off of a good set and then go from there.  Might also be able to 3D print a set of tips and make a jig to set the legs.  At that time I could also adapt it for a coil spring and plunger setup to retain the legs in the stowed position. AND...I make springs...with either a decent used one or a good sketch I can usually make ANYTHING but a V-spring from flat (that is eluding me in the matter of several old, smaller laker revolvers that used  flat V springs)

I'm open for ideas.
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