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kid_couteau
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Posts: 65
Not a thumper but it will thump
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August 22, 2009, 08:25:28 PM »
Here is a 12 gauge :thumbsup:
I just finished it
H&R 12 gauge cut to a legal 18 5/8" barrel and 34" overall
Added a sling and barrel band and re-beaded it.
Took about 2 hours
Kid
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Buck Conner
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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September 04, 2009, 10:29:21 AM »
Another almost a Thumper but not quite.
The Lee-Enfield action is quite strong enough to allow the .45-70 to be loaded to its full potential, well beyond what would be safe in the weak Trapdoor Springfield rifle. The SAAMI pressure standard for the .303 is 45,000 PSI, that for the .45-70 (as used in the Trapdoor) is 28,000 PSI. The extra strength of the Enfield means that bullets of 300-350 grains can safely be pushed a bit beyond 2000 FPS, at which point the .45-70 easily matches the .450 Marlin. Thus loaded the .45-70 is suitable for animals such as grizzly bears and bison.
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Buck Conner
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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September 04, 2009, 10:33:37 AM »
Here's another Enfield want-a-be a Thumper.
About 500 original Summit carbines based on the No. 4 were produced, but in late 2003 they started having problems finding more usable No. 4 actions. As a replacement product they began production of the very similar "Frontier Carbine," using the No. 1 Mark III rifle as a base. The Frontier also differs in having a modified military stock and butt plate (the supply of Parker-Hale wood used on the Summit has also been exhausted) but it’s fitted with the same barrel, magazine, and open sights. It should be as satisfactory. Recent changes in gun laws in ex-Commonwealth countries (especially South Africa) may temporarily rectify the shortage of actions: South Africa is awash with Lee-Enfield rifles and their new limit of two rifles per license holder likely will cause many of them to be sold for export. Hundreds of thousands of No. 4's are still in existence in India*, and as these are replaced they'll become available as well. The supply of Lee-Enfields is finite, though, and sooner or later there will be no more....but...like the Old Soldier and the Trapdoor Springfield, the Lee-Enfield action never seems to die, and maybe someone will start making them again as new-production sporters.
We just got one of these in, neat but it will probably kick the crap out of you because of the very high rear sight and having to raise your head off of the stock to line-up the sights.
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Shooterer
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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September 04, 2009, 11:02:51 AM »
Be still my heart
You guys keep teasing me with pics of 45-70's
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aztimber
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Posts: 10
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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September 18, 2009, 08:19:17 AM »
Great idea, I've a old Enfield that would convert nicely.
Any downside to this mod.
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Paul Gomez
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Posts: 25
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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November 08, 2009, 08:39:38 AM »
Tim LeGendre/LeMag used to convert M1 carbines to .45 WinMag. The M1 Carbine sight bores out to a nice little ghost ring, too. As I recall, the Col wrote about this as being Thumper-like in an issue or two of Gunsite Gossip. Peter Kokalis did a write-up in SOF in the early 90s, as I recall.
Seeing the crack-barrel shotgun in the first post reminds me of a Greener rolling block shotgun that a British friend of mine brought over when he moved to Texas. The Greener is, for all intent, a Martini single shot action with a shotgun barrel. In England it had a 30-inch tube on it. My friend knocked the barrel back and mounted an XS Sights Big Dot and the thing is just a lot of fun to run.
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canuck4570
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Posts: 69
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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January 31, 2010, 10:47:29 AM »
here are my 2 thumper
first a Steyr pro-hunter in 450 marlin top with a nightforce 2.5-10x32
secound a ruger no 1 in 4570 top with a burris handgun scope 2-7x32
when I shoot this 545 gr. bullet you know something when off
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bamaranger
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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March 02, 2010, 03:04:52 PM »
I have two old model ruger .44 carbines. One wears a Redfield 2.75x widefield, the other a set xS ghostring's and post.
Mine do not give the accuracy I would like w/ heavy .44 bullets, the darn rifling twist (1-38!) is to slow, so I have resorted to 180 and 200 gr bullets, which do much better. Not thumper like, but very destructive on deer. Inside 100 yds, the wounds are the equal of any .30/.270 class ctg. I only wish they would shoot the new generation of heavy .44 bullets better.
Ruger got it right w/ the new .44 carbine, the twist went to 1-20". I do not have one, but have an angle and am working the guy.
The .44 carbine was one of Bill Rugers originals, and he had a fondness for the concept I believe. After he died, the money sharks condemned the rifle and now the .44 carbines are gone. Why they insist on selling the .44 bolt is a mystery? Likely it is cheaper to produce than the autos, the receivers being the basis for the 77/22 series and on hand.
BTW same theory on Ruger Hi-cap mags. Old bill was opposed to high caps (only thing he disappointed me with) and so they weren't sold. After his death, the money sharks saw the profit available, now you can get'em in Mini-14 again, or even Mini-30.
The second generation of Ruger .44 carbine, w/ heavy bullet twist, Garand type action, and detach mag (wouldn't a hi-cap be great) are the closest thing to a factory thumper, at a fair price, that we have or likely will, see. (The M16 bigbores are out of my price range)
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dan_house
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 14, 2010, 01:10:15 PM »
Quote from: kid_couteau on August 22, 2009, 08:25:28 PM
Here is a 12 gauge :thumbsup:
<SNIP>
I just finished it
H&R 12 gauge cut to a legal 18 5/8" barrel and 34" overall
Added a sling and barrel band and re-beaded it.
Took about 2 hours
Kid
Kid, have you shot that thing? I had one, put a box of 12 guage shells (why is it a "shotgun shell" but a "rifle round"?) then sent it off to H&R for a 20 gauge rifled barrel. Was blacka blue for week after that box.......
So this is waht it turned into:
I'm considering changing the red dot to a 2.5x scope in the same position. My stalking skills aint what they used to be, and I could use any advantge I can get...
the stock came fromn IIRC, ATI for the Hand R guns, and I added a home made cheek piece. with the red dot out there, its both eys open, round hits where the dot is. But the deer in my hunting ground s are getting more pressure last coupld of seasons, and the scope will help extend my reach......
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praharin
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Posts: 181
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 14, 2010, 09:03:42 PM »
WTF?!?
Field Dressing...
You're doing it wrong!
So, is there a story behind this, or what?
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Chainlink
Scout
Posts: 44
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 15, 2010, 07:41:51 AM »
Quote from: praharin on July 14, 2010, 09:03:42 PM
WTF?!?
Field Dressing...
You're doing it wrong!
So, is there a story behind this, or what?
I bet it is the tag.
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phantom
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Posts: 127
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 15, 2010, 08:16:21 AM »
Deer around here don't stay down after a hit in the bicep...
What scope mount are you using? Looks like it could adapt well to other applications. Also, how does that stock hold up to recoil?
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dan_house
Boy Scout
Posts: 11
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 15, 2010, 12:28:49 PM »
Quote from: phantom on July 15, 2010, 08:16:21 AM
Deer around here don't stay down after a hit in the bicep...
What scope mount are you using? Looks like it could adapt well to other applications. Also, how does that stock hold up to recoil?
the scope is a BSA 30mm red dot from Walmart....
The stock has been awesome. I need a recoil pad on it (at least for sighting in.....) as the recoil can be harsh.
BTW, that bandage on deer's leg is the tag. The processor wont take it without evidence of a legally taken animal....
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phantom
Scout
Posts: 127
Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 15, 2010, 01:34:22 PM »
Quote from: dan_house on July 15, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
the scope is a BSA 30mm red dot from Walmart....
What about the mount?
Thanks!
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dan_house
Boy Scout
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Re: Not a thumper but it will thump
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July 21, 2010, 02:48:19 PM »
What about the mount?
IIRC the mount was from a gun show some time before I got the kit. The hoels in it matched up perfectly with the holes in the "heat shield". Thats when the big light bulb that said "Scout" on it lit up
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